Sunday, April 10, 2011

...Spite my Face


  1. I'm glad I don't have to agree with everyone on everything.
    If I agree with Rob, you, both, or neither isn't the point.
    "The discussion is divine."

  2. I dunno Dave. It's possible that you & I may end up on the bonfire too. (I think that we would make some great S'Mores, though.)

  3. There are two versus that I find interesting.

    Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

    However I do not see this judgment as one meant a fiery hell... but a cleansing judgment.

    The other verse or passage is one that I find fascinating.

    1 Cor 3:11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

    The point is not Universal salvation, but whether one who passes through this cleansing fire will come out the image of Christ Jesus. All that is not of Christ is burned away and for some, not much if anything is burned away. One might be saved but lose all they built for it was not of Jesus. In some sense this seems more hellish than the traditional sense of hell.

  4. Yeah, that verse from Hebrews is the one that sticks with me the most. Which is why I'm strongly inclined to believe that there is no second chance. Obviously, YHWH can do what ever he in theory (A slim one at best) it's certainly possible.

    For myself, it's pretty clear that Jesus calls all people to not base their hopes on a "Maybe," but to turn around and follow him in the here & now because eternity begins with him. (Roger Olson has an excellent post on this which I'll link to you if it doesn't take on here.)

    I really like your second point from 1st Cor. In many respects it parallels Jesus warning at the end of the sermon on the mount about numerous "Religious" people being shocked that he/Jesus never knew them after all that they had done in his name. They had the correct "Orthodox" language, but their trees produced no true "Fruit of the Spirit." That entire passage worries me a great deal because of what I see as passing for Christianity in America. (Lot's of Talk, not much Fruit.)

    I honestly don't know how much of me will be left after that testing fire. So much of my life seems to be wanton selfishness and laziness. I will be more than happy just to be able to tend a simple garden in the New Heaven & Earth.